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A novices guide to Elgrand acquisition

It is a very good post (and the ensuing replies) regarding acquisition, but something not covered on there, with regard to TOTAL ownership, and something to certainly factor in, is the availability of people/garages/mechanics who can and are willing to work on a Japanese import- and experienced enough with an Elgrand, especially if problems occur which are more complex.
And another factor, certainly one which stung me like a huge bee, is if the day arrives when you part ways with it. If, up until now, you've sold regular (non import) cars via a part exchange at a garage/dealership, or maybe via one of the car buying outlets (carwow, webuy etc), well, that route is pretty much a no go. You'll most likely be left with the only options being selling it privately, or, unfortunately in my case, back to the place you got it from (or another Japaneses import dealer). Maybe, in that particular scenario, be prepared to have only your house and clothes left after you've handed the keys over.
These two things are definitely things to consider in the all-round decision to enter this import vehicle world.
Wow thanks for this detailed reply! This is exactly the kind of insight I am looking for from this forum. I am hoping to gain a wider picture of what can go wrong and the availability of specialists and garages near to me before deciding if an Elgrand is right! My partners main concern is everything you have detailed here, the availability of parts and fixing things when they go wrong as we have never really tinkered around with cars before.
 
There is nothing particularly complicated about an Elgrand, they are just another car with all the same working parts.
Wow thanks for this detailed reply! This is exactly the kind of insight I am looking for from this forum. I am hoping to gain a wider picture of what can go wrong and the availability of specialists and garages near to me before deciding if an Elgrand is right! My partners main concern is everything you have detailed here, the availability of parts and fixing things when they go wrong as we have never really tinkered around with cars before.
Elgrands are no more complicated than any other car and most service parts a readily available and easily fitted. Many parts are shared across the Nissan range and are interchangeable. The only real issue is with body panels if you damage one, which would have to be sourced from a breaker.

Many garages shy away because they can make plenty of cash doing the run of the mill stuff and don't want to risk wasting profitable time on something out of the ordinary. Having said that, there are still garages who employ proper mechanics rather than relying on what a computer tells them to do.

It's very wise to research as you are doing as many dive in head first and end up with a lemon or regret it for some other reason. But if you do all you can to make sure you find a good one then you are unlikely to have any major issues if you follow the advice on the forum.
 
There is nothing particularly complicated about an Elgrand, they are just another car with all the same working parts.

Elgrands are no more complicated than any other car and most service parts a readily available and easily fitted. Many parts are shared across the Nissan range and are interchangeable. The only real issue is with body panels if you damage one, which would have to be sourced from a breaker.

Many garages shy away because they can make plenty of cash doing the run of the mill stuff and don't want to risk wasting profitable time on something out of the ordinary. Having said that, there are still garages who employ proper mechanics rather than relying on what a computer tells them to do.

It's very wise to research as you are doing as many dive in head first and end up with a lemon or regret it for some other reason. But if you do all you can to make sure you find a good one then you are unlikely to have any major issues if you follow the advice on the forum.
Amen to that Andre
 
Many garages shy away because they can make plenty of cash doing the run of the mill stuff and don't want to risk wasting profitable time on something out of the ordinary.
True, but its a situation which exists and should be factored into potential Elgrand/Japanese import purchases. Esp for the first time buyer. One could stand and shout at a garage all day long, and say 'you don't want to do it as you'd prefer to do an oil change on a Fiesta', but the end result is the same; they still don't want to look at that Elgrand.
 
Here’s my Elgrand buying experience in case it helps anyone else in the buying process.

After deciding that I really wanted an Elgrand, I found a dealer quite near to me. I had already decided I didn’t want to spend time and expense trawling up and down the country looking for my new car, so some internet research led me to the more local options.

Being a novice in the import vehicle field I also decided that I was willing to pay a bit more for someone else to deal with procedures involved in bringing a car in from Japan rather than trying to do it myself. I could also be sure to see the vehicle before making my purchase.

I found a likely candidate at my nearest dealer who were advertising it as low mileage and top quality on their website and ebay. The vehicle in question had not yet landed from Japan, it was a silver Rider model but sounded from the description that it would be just what I wanted.

I visited the dealer and left a deposit on the strength of their pictures, advertisement and description. Then, whist awaiting its arrival I thought it might be a good idea to do some further research online and signed up to this club to seek advice and information about my impending purchase. Good move.

After much reading and advice from those more experienced in Elgrandery, I discovered the many ways of checking how closely the dealers spiel matched reality. As it happens I saved myself a wait for a vehicle that wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. It turns out that the dealer in question are importing low grade auction vehicles then tarting them up on arrival. Happily, they refunded my deposit without quibble when I approached them with the discrepancies I had found.

Here’s what I checked using the vehicles chassis number.

Firstly, they claimed the the vehicle had Jevic mileage certification. I checked the chassis number on the Jevic website https://www.jevic.co.uk/index.html but it returned no results. Warning bells started to ring.

I next paid for a CarVX report at https://carvx.jp/ costing £25 plus £3.50 for the translation of the Japanese auction sheet. The report showed that this vehicle was a low R grade auction rating, had been repaired following accident damage and had a replacement door panel which was an incorrect shade of silver. It was rusty underneath, dirty, smelly and marked inside and full of pet hair, and had numerous dings to the bodywork amongst other horrors.

On the plus side, the recall history was complete which can be checked here http://www.Nissan.co.jp/RECALL/search.html and this shows that important recall work has been carried out, most importantly correction to the over fuelling problem which adds to the premature disintegration of the catalytic converters, and also the dodgy fuel gauge issue. But even so, this seemed to be a poorly maintained vehicle and certainly best avoided I thought, and I note it was subsequently removed from sale by the dealer.

Finally, I also checked https://Nissan.epc-data.com/Elgrand/ which shows up some basic info on specification, including factory options, but doesn’t show any spec for vehicles which finished production at Autech such as Rider models, as they all leave Nissan as basic VG models before receiving the Autech upgrades. For any further information, Nissan are quite helpful and can be emailed at postoffice@Nissan.co.jp.

Further searches found two more likely vehicles. The first I checked was a white Rider but it had not had the over fuelling recall carried out and although it showed a full Japanese service history it didn’t have Jevic mileage certification either, so I passed. It had also been pimped somewhat in Japan and I was looking for something that had not been too interfered with.

Third time lucky I found a gem from an ebay trader and Japanese import specialist in Kent. A low mileage 4x4 twin sun roof white Rider with verified Jevic mileage certificate, full service history and 4.5 auction grade shown on the CarVX report with no issues reported on the auction sheet. All recalls have been carried out and on inspection I found it had been very well looked after by its Japanese owner, modifications being to the side and mirror repeater indicators, a remapped ECU and a throttle control unit.

It is quite hard to believe that this is a 15 year old vehicle, with only 44k miles it looks only two or three years old and is in super condition. As you can tell I am delighted, as without this splendid club I could well have ended up with a lemon.

Just as an addendum, when you have acquired your piece of masterful engineering you MUST have the secondary catalytic converters de-cored or fit bypass pipes or your lovely new Elgrand WILL die prematurely. It's also a very good idea to have them undersealed as JDM vehicles are bare underneath, so factor the cost of these things into the cost of the purchase or risk an unnecessarily short ownership or huge expense down the line.

It's also worth checking the age of the tyres as many ship over with the original factory fitted tyres due to the much lower annual mileage that the Japanese do. So even though they have tread enough to pass the MOT they will have degraded and there have been numerous reports of blowouts due to disintegration.

I've added a PDF of this and more for download below.

Edit: Nissan Japan have now taken the decision not to offer support for JDM vehicles outside of Japan, so if you email them you will receive a stock answer telling you this.
Thank you this. As someone looking into buying an Elgrand this review really helped me ask pertinent questions of the supplier.
 
IMO, the first things you should do when looking at older or unusual (import) cars is;
  • Learn to do as much of the basics that you can e.g.
    • General servicing including engine/transmission oil changes
    • Brakes disc/pads replacement
    • Brake fluid replacement
    • Power steering fluid replacement
    • OBD2 diagnosis
or, before you buy the vehicle, ensure you have someone local who will do these jobs for you.
This will make ownership much easier.
The money you save on the purchase price, and these are >50% less than a Viano or Transporter, put towards tools and a diagnosis machine :yum

If you're reading this then you've already taken the most important first step :cool:

Looking at this one today - https://www.japcarsouth.co.uk/used-Nissan-Elgrand-cosham-hampshire-6503481
 
Is it even still financially viable to import yourself rather than buy from a dealer?
 
The hard part will be finding a good one these days.
 
Any areas to avoid when looking at Elgrands, known dodgey dealers etc?
 
Written in 2008 and still relevant today. I've just started the journey of finding my first Elgrand and was a little apprehensive. This guide has armed me with information that I definitely need to know.

This is a 'must read', it is well written and easy to understand a definate 10/10. Well done and Thank you.
 
Any areas to avoid when looking at Elgrands, known dodgey dealers etc?
From personal experience, you will get a better price if you go for the known dealers in England. I bought mine from a dealer near Glasgow, let's just say, I would not recommend it.
 
You won't go far wrong with any of the dealers that use this forum.
 
Nice one - very useful indeed. One point - quite a few members (me included) have had the overfuelling recall carried out here in the UK - it's a very simple process - so potential buyers shouldn't be put off by that.
I won't pick up my Elgrand for a few weeks so new to this. What is the over fuelling issue
 
I won't pick up my Elgrand for a few weeks so new to this. What is the over fuelling issue
The original programming of the ECU didn't fully shut off fuel on the overrun allowing unburned fuel to enter the exhaust and overheat the catalytic converters. The recall was issued to update the ECU. However, the recall didn't cure the problem so failures persist.
 
The original programming of the ECU didn't fully shut off fuel on the overrun allowing unburned fuel to enter the exhaust and overheat the catalytic converters. The recall was issued to update the ECU. However, the recall didn't cure the problem so failures persist.
Thanks for that
 
Without the recall at least some early E51's continued to pulse injectors for around 0.6ms during over-run conditions, that is too lean to burn so does see unburned petrol reaching cats but it is such a small amount of fuel along with a relatively small volume of air it probably won't hurt cats. Not sure why Nissan originally set them up to do this, maybe it was to help keep the cats warm during long downhill stretches without touching the accelerator so they'd still be hot enough to work efficiently at cleaning up emissions when you came back on the power again at the bottom of the downhill stretch - Not many vehicles inject such a small amount of fuel, it's usually either no fuel or enough fuel to at least be rich enough to burn in the engine cylinders so the cats get either just fresh air or burned exhaust gas rather than fresh air and a small amount of fuel which may react/burn inside an already hot cat to keep it hot even though the engine isn't burning anything because the mixture is too lean for burning. Heh, some vehicles use such a lean mixture (along with changes to ignition timing) to give boy racer style 'pops and bangs' from the exhaust when the driver lifts off the throttle. I can make an Elgrand have 'pops and bangs' during accelerator lift off when running on LPG if an owner wishes but I've never been asked to make it happen lol.

The fuelling recall also leaned the mixture when you put your foot down. Elgrands that didn't have the recall ran a relatively extremely rich mixture under flat out conditions... engines should have an appropriately rich mixture when you put your foot down but there's a difference between appropriately flat out rich and flat out extremely rich, the recall made the difference from extremely rich to more appropriately rich. When the engine is flat out the volume of exhaust gas is high, giving the cats more gas to deal with, the combination of high volume and rich mixture is when the cats work hardest and get hottest, they'll get even hotter if the mixture is extremely rich than just rich.

On those that went extremely rich that I've converted to LPG I've calibrated the LPG system so it goes appropriately rich rather than extremely rich when running on LPG and appropriately rich for LPG is leaner than appropriately rich for petrol.

On those I've converted to LPG I've set them up to overcome both problems when running on LPG anyway. I set the LPG system to disregard injector pulse lengths shorter than 0.7ms on 3.5's or 1.1ms on 2.5's, so the cats won't get any fuel that hasn't burned in the engine cylinders during over-run conditions regardless of whether the fuelling recall was done. I set flat out mixture on LPG to be appropriately rich, not extremely rich, and appropriately rich for LPG is leaner than appropriately rich for petrol, again this works (when running on LPG) regardless of whether the fuelling mixture was done or not.

Nissan whitewashed over the real problem which was/is the design of the front cats, the fuelling recall might help to see the cats less likely to fail when running on petrol because it alleviates some of the stresses cats have to cope with, mostly the combination of high volumes of exhaust gas along with very rich mixture when you put your foot down... But the real problem is the design of the front cats and plenty vehicles (especially turbo'd vehicles) do run similarly very/extremely rich mixtures when you put your foot down but don't have the Elgrand cat problem because their cats don't break up after similar stresses over a similar period of time or if their cats do break up it doesn't usually lead to an exhaust blockage that sees cat debris enter the engine. Much cheaper for Nissan to have their dealers reprogram an ECU than to remove front cats and fit different ones, then cross fingers and hope the problem is less likely at least until after the warranty period expires.
 
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